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Old 10 Aug 2003, 07:40 pm
Rob G
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Default undercoating problems?

I've had my RSX-S for 3 months now which I bought with extended warranty
and the
full protection plan. Although it's 3 months later, the undercoating is
still not even
close to being dry. I can stick my finger under the car and get a black
glob of crap on
my hand. The dealership salesman kept telling me to wait for it to dry and
it's all
perfectly normal. Well I don't think this mess is normal at all. It's a
very hot day today
and the stuff has basically melted back to it's original wet molasses form.
I'm getting very fed up
with excuses about this and it's certainly NOT the product I expected it to
be. It's trapping
dirt and small stones. No mechanic is going to want to work on a car with a
mess like this
all under the bottom and in the wheel wells. It's going to be impossible to
clean this stuff
off too. All I know is that the dealership is going to have to explain this
to me on monday
and deal with it. No more excuses.

Is this normal for this stuff to never dry? I thought it was supposed to
dry like a soft rubber
coating and not come off on your hands when you touch it.

--


Rob


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Old 10 Aug 2003, 07:57 pm
Mikey
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Default Re: undercoating problems?

Next time you purchase a car walk past the loans guy who gives you the heavy
on undercoating. It's not needed. If it truly was needed then you shouldn't
be buying a car that shoddy today that comes with a body warranty without
the undercoating. You got ripped off, sorry.
"Rob G" <lost.in.the.zone@sasktel.net> wrote in message
news:vjdlvht6lla80@corp.supernews.com...
> I've had my RSX-S for 3 months now which I bought with extended warranty
> and the
> full protection plan. Although it's 3 months later, the undercoating is
> still not even
> close to being dry. I can stick my finger under the car and get a black
> glob of crap on
> my hand. The dealership salesman kept telling me to wait for it to dry

and
> it's all
> perfectly normal. Well I don't think this mess is normal at all. It's a
> very hot day today
> and the stuff has basically melted back to it's original wet molasses

form.
> I'm getting very fed up
> with excuses about this and it's certainly NOT the product I expected it

to
> be. It's trapping
> dirt and small stones. No mechanic is going to want to work on a car with

a
> mess like this
> all under the bottom and in the wheel wells. It's going to be impossible

to
> clean this stuff
> off too. All I know is that the dealership is going to have to explain

this
> to me on monday
> and deal with it. No more excuses.
>
> Is this normal for this stuff to never dry? I thought it was supposed to
> dry like a soft rubber
> coating and not come off on your hands when you touch it.
>
> --
>
>
> Rob
>
>



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Old 10 Aug 2003, 10:56 pm
super_nintendo_chalmers
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Default Re: undercoating problems?

oh yeah, i suppose if its hot enought the stuff wont dry, but if its hot
enough to melt in the summer, i dont think you're far enought north to even
see snow are you?!?

"Rob G" <lost.in.the.zone@sasktel.net> wrote in message
news:vjdlvht6lla80@corp.supernews.com...
> I've had my RSX-S for 3 months now which I bought with extended warranty
> and the
> full protection plan. Although it's 3 months later, the undercoating is
> still not even
> close to being dry. I can stick my finger under the car and get a black
> glob of crap on
> my hand. The dealership salesman kept telling me to wait for it to dry

and
> it's all
> perfectly normal. Well I don't think this mess is normal at all. It's a
> very hot day today
> and the stuff has basically melted back to it's original wet molasses

form.
> I'm getting very fed up
> with excuses about this and it's certainly NOT the product I expected it

to
> be. It's trapping
> dirt and small stones. No mechanic is going to want to work on a car with

a
> mess like this
> all under the bottom and in the wheel wells. It's going to be impossible

to
> clean this stuff
> off too. All I know is that the dealership is going to have to explain

this
> to me on monday
> and deal with it. No more excuses.
>
> Is this normal for this stuff to never dry? I thought it was supposed to
> dry like a soft rubber
> coating and not come off on your hands when you touch it.
>
> --
>
>
> Rob
>
>



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Old 11 Aug 2003, 02:11 pm
Bill Freeman
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Default Re: undercoating problems?

As a Renault technician told me 30+ years ago, "rustproofing" has to
be done at the factory when the bare metal is clean (and anti-rust primer
and paint topcoat applied over). They didn't recommend undercoatings then!
Ziebart and the rest were "profit builders" in those days.
Diamond Shamrock plastics were employed by GM years ago on their
lower body panels to prevent rust. They've since gone back to "hot"
Galvinized panels (i.e. zinc-coated) and "poly" on the Saturns. Anti-rust
technology is pretty advanced today .. . but still fascinating. You need
bare, acid-etched metal to take an electrostatic paint bath .. . but the
spot welds always cause problems 'cause they're hard to clean and don't take
an electrostatic charge easily. Why not galvinize the entire car?! Then
your car's paint surface will look like a painted galvinized pail .. . but
it'll never rust. Spray-on coatings are basically shams .. . Sounds like
yours is just oil-tar. You might want a sample tested at a lab .. . then
take 'em to small claims court.
Consult your state's lemon laws, consumer fraud statutes, BBB, any
news bureau "help" lines and drop by Tom Martino's
"Troubleshooter" site http://www.troubleshooter.com/ .

Bill

"Rob G" <lost.in.the.zone@sasktel.net> wrote in message
news:vjdlvht6lla80@corp.supernews.com...
> I've had my RSX-S for 3 months now which I bought with extended warranty
> and the
> full protection plan. Although it's 3 months later, the undercoating is
> still not even
> close to being dry. I can stick my finger under the car and get a black
> glob of crap on
> my hand. The dealership salesman kept telling me to wait for it to dry

and
> it's all
> perfectly normal. Well I don't think this mess is normal at all. It's a
> very hot day today
> and the stuff has basically melted back to it's original wet molasses

form.
> I'm getting very fed up
> with excuses about this and it's certainly NOT the product I expected it

to
> be. It's trapping
> dirt and small stones. No mechanic is going to want to work on a car with

a
> mess like this
> all under the bottom and in the wheel wells. It's going to be impossible

to
> clean this stuff
> off too. All I know is that the dealership is going to have to explain

this
> to me on monday
> and deal with it. No more excuses.
>
> Is this normal for this stuff to never dry? I thought it was supposed to
> dry like a soft rubber
> coating and not come off on your hands when you touch it.
>
> --
>
>
> Rob
>
>



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Old 11 Aug 2003, 05:38 pm
Xavier
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"Mikey" <%noospaam)mikling@eol.ca> wrote in message
news:vZAZa.21820$ek4.15424@nntp-post.primus.ca...
> Next time you purchase a car walk past the loans guy who gives you the

heavy
> on undercoating. It's not needed. If it truly was needed then you

shouldn't
> be buying a car that shoddy today that comes with a body warranty without
> the undercoating. You got ripped off, sorry.
> "Rob G" <lost.in.the.zone@sasktel.net> wrote in message
> news:vjdlvht6lla80@corp.supernews.com...
> > I've had my RSX-S for 3 months now which I bought with extended warranty
> > and the
> > full protection plan. Although it's 3 months later, the undercoating is
> > still not even
> > close to being dry. I can stick my finger under the car and get a black
> > glob of crap on
> > my hand. The dealership salesman kept telling me to wait for it to dry

> and
> > it's all
> > perfectly normal. Well I don't think this mess is normal at all. It's

a
> > very hot day today
> > and the stuff has basically melted back to it's original wet molasses

> form.
> > I'm getting very fed up
> > with excuses about this and it's certainly NOT the product I expected it

> to
> > be. It's trapping
> > dirt and small stones. No mechanic is going to want to work on a car

with
> a
> > mess like this
> > all under the bottom and in the wheel wells. It's going to be

impossible
> to
> > clean this stuff
> > off too. All I know is that the dealership is going to have to explain

> this
> > to me on monday
> > and deal with it. No more excuses.
> >
> > Is this normal for this stuff to never dry? I thought it was supposed

to
> > dry like a soft rubber
> > coating and not come off on your hands when you touch it.
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > Rob
> >


I went ahead and got the undercoating too. They had to charge me less than
normal because the credit union I belong to makes them discount the price.
I know it's kind of pointless but it does cut the noise level in the car.
It also does stay kind of tacky even after a year, especially when it gets
hot.


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Old 11 Aug 2003, 09:14 pm
Mikey
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Default Re: undercoating problems?

I made a comment a week back that Honda/Acura is getting too popular.
Dealers are forcing things down the consumer's throat.
Did you check the noise levels with or without the undercoating? Thought so.
Today you can engineer floorpans to be quiet by controlling resonances.
Steels used today for certain areas are coated to prevent corrosion. In the
old days, panels boomed and coated steels were not used. Even in 1975, my
Rabbit did not need undercoating. In areas under the car where undercoating
is required it is already done by the factory so that their body warranty
would be okay. No matter how you look at it, the dealer undercoat with or
without discount is a ripoff. Also hope they don't much up and clog key
drainage areas. A RSX-S would handle better without the extra weight. If you
wanted quiet, a RSX-S is not really the machine for you.
"Xavier" <mdnblaster@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:HJH5Fy.62L@news.boeing.com...
>
> "Mikey" <%noospaam)mikling@eol.ca> wrote in message
> news:vZAZa.21820$ek4.15424@nntp-post.primus.ca...
> > Next time you purchase a car walk past the loans guy who gives you the

> heavy
> > on undercoating. It's not needed. If it truly was needed then you

> shouldn't
> > be buying a car that shoddy today that comes with a body warranty

without
> > the undercoating. You got ripped off, sorry.
> > "Rob G" <lost.in.the.zone@sasktel.net> wrote in message
> > news:vjdlvht6lla80@corp.supernews.com...
> > > I've had my RSX-S for 3 months now which I bought with extended

warranty
> > > and the
> > > full protection plan. Although it's 3 months later, the undercoating

is
> > > still not even
> > > close to being dry. I can stick my finger under the car and get a

black
> > > glob of crap on
> > > my hand. The dealership salesman kept telling me to wait for it to

dry
> > and
> > > it's all
> > > perfectly normal. Well I don't think this mess is normal at all.

It's
> a
> > > very hot day today
> > > and the stuff has basically melted back to it's original wet molasses

> > form.
> > > I'm getting very fed up
> > > with excuses about this and it's certainly NOT the product I expected

it
> > to
> > > be. It's trapping
> > > dirt and small stones. No mechanic is going to want to work on a car

> with
> > a
> > > mess like this
> > > all under the bottom and in the wheel wells. It's going to be

> impossible
> > to
> > > clean this stuff
> > > off too. All I know is that the dealership is going to have to

explain
> > this
> > > to me on monday
> > > and deal with it. No more excuses.
> > >
> > > Is this normal for this stuff to never dry? I thought it was

supposed
> to
> > > dry like a soft rubber
> > > coating and not come off on your hands when you touch it.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > >
> > > Rob
> > >

>
> I went ahead and got the undercoating too. They had to charge me less

than
> normal because the credit union I belong to makes them discount the price.
> I know it's kind of pointless but it does cut the noise level in the car.
> It also does stay kind of tacky even after a year, especially when it gets
> hot.
>
>



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Old 11 Aug 2003, 11:24 pm
Air Wick
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Default Re: undercoating problems?

Good move on the undercoating. This is a necessary step for a car that is...
1. Driven a lot in the rain
2. Park on the street
3. In a humid area.

It will dry in times, in about half a year. When it does, it turns into a
rubbery substance, hard and elastic. By then, no more stones or dirt should
stick on...

My front fender of my 1999 Acura was replaced due to an asshole hit and run
driver. The left side was replaced with OEM parts and was never undercoated
again. Three years after the accident, I am starting to see rusts on area
near the bolts. Then again, it could have been cheap workmanship.

Overall, I think undercoating provides a sense of relief..



"Rob G" <lost.in.the.zone@sasktel.net> wrote in message
news:vjdlvht6lla80@corp.supernews.com...
> I've had my RSX-S for 3 months now which I bought with extended warranty
> and the
> full protection plan. Although it's 3 months later, the undercoating is
> still not even
> close to being dry. I can stick my finger under the car and get a black
> glob of crap on
> my hand. The dealership salesman kept telling me to wait for it to dry

and
> it's all
> perfectly normal. Well I don't think this mess is normal at all. It's a
> very hot day today
> and the stuff has basically melted back to it's original wet molasses

form.
> I'm getting very fed up
> with excuses about this and it's certainly NOT the product I expected it

to
> be. It's trapping
> dirt and small stones. No mechanic is going to want to work on a car with

a
> mess like this
> all under the bottom and in the wheel wells. It's going to be impossible

to
> clean this stuff
> off too. All I know is that the dealership is going to have to explain

this
> to me on monday
> and deal with it. No more excuses.
>
> Is this normal for this stuff to never dry? I thought it was supposed to
> dry like a soft rubber
> coating and not come off on your hands when you touch it.
>
> --
>
>
> Rob
>
>



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