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Old 30 Jul 2003, 04:54 pm
Xavier
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"noway" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Does anyone have long term experience with Royal Purple for normal

driving?
> It seems to be carried at a lot of high performance shops, but looks like
> thats about it.
>
>


I was led to believe Royal Purple is a "racing" oil and not really needed
unless you have cash to burn and are autocrossing on the weekends. Sounds
like another marketing ploy since it seems no one can provide scientific,
impartial test data to prove otherwise.


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Old 31 Jul 2003, 10:14 am
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"Philip«" <chipstate@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> noway wrote:
> >> I was led to believe Royal Purple is a "racing" oil and not really
> >> needed unless you have cash to burn and are autocrossing on the
> >> weekends. Sounds like another marketing ploy since it seems no one
> >> can provide scientific, impartial test data to prove otherwise.

> >
> > It seems to be mainly promoted by racing enthuseusts, but they state
> > it can be run 12,000 miles between oil changes which Mobil1 won't
> > commit to, which I think is mainly because ExxonMobil wants to sell
> > that extra oil. Sales == $$$$.

>
> Funny .... Mercedes and BMW and Porche use Mobil1 0w-40 and 15w-50 (the
> only two M1's that have ACEA A3 rating) in their cars with oil life
> monitoring systems that can run the oil out to 15k miles.
>
> > There are test results on
> > www.royalpurple.com web site performed my independant labs, and the
> > results are all there. I really question the quality of Mobil1 oil,

>
> I do not. I have run M1 for 285k miles on a 1990 Geo Prizm. Started
> using M1 in that car from 10k miles. When I sold the car with 285k
> miles, it was still using only a qt of oil in 3,500 and ran very well.
>
> > and yes I used it in my last car for 82,000 miles. Somewhat because I
> > tested there gasoline and got noticably lower fuel milage compared to
> > Amoco fuels. Somewhat because ExxonMobil just tells you its better,
> > and provide no test results at all.

>
> Is Mobil gasoline "oxygenated" in your area? Oxygenates DO reduce fuel
> economy.


Please don't confuse him with facts. Some of us are still waiting for the
connection between his lower fuel ecomomy and the "questionable quality" of
M1.


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Old 31 Jul 2003, 12:01 pm
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> Please don't confuse him with facts. Some of us are still waiting for the
> connection between his lower fuel ecomomy and the "questionable quality"

of
> M1.


Well here is what M1 has to say on there web site:

"The overall goal for Mobil 1 is to provide the highest level of performance
by protecting your engine, even under the most severe conditions, such as
very cold starting temperatures, extreme high-temperature operations and
high-load conditions. With several car manufacturers now extending or
varying oil change intervals, Mobil 1 with SuperSynT has been formulated to
provide more performance reserve. But Mobil 1 with SuperSynT is not just for
extreme service. You can also realize Mobil 1's benefits of improved engine
cleanliness and long engine life under "normal" service."

and:

"An earlier formulation of Mobil 1 was also subjected to an engine test that
demonstrates the oxidative stability and wear protection of an oil under
high-temperature conditions. This test of Mobil 1 was derived from a
Sequence IIIE engine test and was run using a GM 3.8-liter V6 engine with
the oil kept at a constant 300░ F (149║ C) in the oil pan. While the
Sequence IIIE test is normally run for 64 hours, this Mobil 1 test was run
four times longer. And even after 256 hours, Mobil 1 still provided oil
protection.

Keeping in mind that these tests were conducted with earlier formulations of
Mobil 1, ExxonMobil engineers are confident that Mobil 1 with SuperSynT will
provide even greater protection than its predecessors."

So they have an overall goal for there SuperSyn, and an older formula still
provided protection when M1 was run in a Sequence IIIE test 4x longer than
the standard.

I guess I can be infinately confident in there vague statements on the
protection there M1 provides. Besides there engineers are confident that
Mobil 1 with SuperSyn without even running test.



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Old 31 Jul 2003, 12:15 pm
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"noway" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> > Please don't confuse him with facts. Some of us are still waiting for

the
> > connection between his lower fuel ecomomy and the "questionable quality"

> of
> > M1.

>
> Well here is what M1 has to say on there web site:
>
> "The overall goal for Mobil 1 is to provide the highest level of

performance
> by protecting your engine, even under the most severe conditions, such as
> very cold starting temperatures, extreme high-temperature operations and
> high-load conditions. With several car manufacturers now extending or
> varying oil change intervals, Mobil 1 with SuperSynT has been formulated

to
> provide more performance reserve. But Mobil 1 with SuperSynT is not just

for
> extreme service. You can also realize Mobil 1's benefits of improved

engine
> cleanliness and long engine life under "normal" service."
>
> and:
>
> "An earlier formulation of Mobil 1 was also subjected to an engine test

that
> demonstrates the oxidative stability and wear protection of an oil under
> high-temperature conditions. This test of Mobil 1 was derived from a
> Sequence IIIE engine test and was run using a GM 3.8-liter V6 engine with
> the oil kept at a constant 300░ F (149║ C) in the oil pan. While the
> Sequence IIIE test is normally run for 64 hours, this Mobil 1 test was run
> four times longer. And even after 256 hours, Mobil 1 still provided oil
> protection.
>
> Keeping in mind that these tests were conducted with earlier formulations

of
> Mobil 1, ExxonMobil engineers are confident that Mobil 1 with SuperSynT

will
> provide even greater protection than its predecessors."
>
> So they have an overall goal for there SuperSyn,


Yes, standard practice for any business...call it a "Product Mission
Statement".

and an older formula still
> provided protection when M1 was run in a Sequence IIIE test 4x longer than
> the standard.


A torture test...256 hours at 300F....holy crapola!


> I guess I can be infinately confident in there vague statements on the
> protection there M1 provides.


In the US, I'm guessing specifics would have lawyers going crazy, trying to
profit...somehow.

Exactly what specifics would you like to see?

Besides there engineers are confident that
> Mobil 1 with SuperSyn without even running test.


Not tested? Where did you read that?



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Old 31 Jul 2003, 01:10 pm
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> Not tested? Where did you read that?

Let me know what you find.


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Old 31 Jul 2003, 02:34 pm
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"noway" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> > Not tested? Where did you read that?

>
> Let me know what you find.


Glad I could help!

"For instance, the appropriate grades of Mobil 1 with SuperSynT exceed ILSAC
GF-3, API Service SL/CF, European ACEA standards and Japanese valvetrain
requirements. In addition, some viscosity grades exceed specific OEM
standards. One example is Mobil 1 with SuperSynT 0W-40, which exceeds
Mercedes Benz's 229.3 specification."


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Old 31 Jul 2003, 04:42 pm
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"Stephen Bigelow" <sbigelowXzX@rogers.com> wrote in message
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> "noway" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:NYcWa.116840$R92.64292@news2.central.cox.net. ..
> > > Not tested? Where did you read that?

> >
> > Let me know what you find.

>
> Glad I could help!
>
> "For instance, the appropriate grades of Mobil 1 with SuperSynT exceed

ILSAC
> GF-3, API Service SL/CF, European ACEA standards and Japanese valvetrain
> requirements. In addition, some viscosity grades exceed specific OEM
> standards. One example is Mobil 1 with SuperSynT 0W-40, which exceeds
> Mercedes Benz's 229.3 specification."


Oh, yea, that says it all. Right up there with many dyno oils.


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Old 31 Jul 2003, 05:15 pm
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"noway" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> "Stephen Bigelow" <sbigelowXzX@rogers.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > "noway" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> > news:NYcWa.116840$R92.64292@news2.central.cox.net. ..
> > > > Not tested? Where did you read that?
> > >
> > > Let me know what you find.

> >
> > Glad I could help!
> >
> > "For instance, the appropriate grades of Mobil 1 with SuperSynT exceed

> ILSAC
> > GF-3, API Service SL/CF, European ACEA standards and Japanese valvetrain
> > requirements. In addition, some viscosity grades exceed specific OEM
> > standards. One example is Mobil 1 with SuperSynT 0W-40, which exceeds
> > Mercedes Benz's 229.3 specification."

>
> Oh, yea, that says it all. Right up there with many dyno oils.


Yup.
Tested.


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Old 31 Jul 2003, 08:53 pm
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> > > "For instance, the appropriate grades of Mobil 1 with SuperSynT exceed
> > ILSAC
> > > GF-3, API Service SL/CF, European ACEA standards and Japanese

valvetrain
> > > requirements. In addition, some viscosity grades exceed specific OEM
> > > standards. One example is Mobil 1 with SuperSynT 0W-40, which exceeds
> > > Mercedes Benz's 229.3 specification."

> >
> > Oh, yea, that says it all. Right up there with many dyno oils.

>
> Yup.
> Tested.


I was looking for a little more than "In addition, some viscosity grades
exceed specific OEM standards."

Exceed specific OEM standards. Hmmm, which ones do and which ones don't.

I don't see any wear tests, fleet testing results, anything that would lead
me to believe its any better than anyone elses standard let alone synthetic
oil.

Sorry, I don't follow blindly.


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Old 31 Jul 2003, 09:15 pm
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"noway" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> > Yup.
> > Tested.

>
> I was looking for a little more than "In addition, some viscosity grades
> exceed specific OEM standards."


Oh, sure...._now_ you go and get specific.

> Exceed specific OEM standards. Hmmm, which ones do and which ones don't.
>
> I don't see any wear tests, fleet testing results, anything that would

lead
> me to believe its any better than anyone elses standard let alone

synthetic
> oil.
>
> Sorry, I don't follow blindly.


No problem. I just use it for it's low temp flow, mostly.

And for that info, you'll actually have *look*... yourself.

TTFN!

BTW, what response has Mobil given you to your specific technical questions?
1-800-662-4525



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