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Old 11 Jul 2003, 07:14 pm
Tom Waugh
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Default Re: TSX demographics

Impression I have from reading the information is that it targets the young
under 30 executive making around 80k a year. Since I'm 62, am retired on a
second career, I don't fit at all. So, I'll keep on driving my 01 Prelude.

"JXStern" <JXSternChangeX2R@gte.net> wrote in message
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> Who is supposed to buy that model, and who is actually buying it?
>
> I thought that basically smaller meant younger, but so far, the only
> driver I've seen in one didn't look very young.
>
> J.
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Old 11 Jul 2003, 07:43 pm
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80k is a little steep for this demographic. i would take it below 50k.
they are going for the IS300, A4 1.8, 325 crowd.
i think the demo is the MALE, single car, mid 20s, 50k, not-married.
however, that target is generally pretty knowledgeable in terms of
performance cars and sees the advantages and branding of the
competition. "i can get a bimmer for the price of an accord" mentallity.
i saw 2 friends pass up the tsx for the IS and 325.

shoulda left it a honda i say.


"Tom Waugh" <twaugh5@cox.net> wrote in message
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> Impression I have from reading the information is that it targets the

young
> under 30 executive making around 80k a year. Since I'm 62, am retired on

a
> second career, I don't fit at all. So, I'll keep on driving my 01

Prelude.
>
> "JXStern" <JXSternChangeX2R@gte.net> wrote in message
> news:557sgvcjkqprhlk6embpvt5sjggfo9754f@4ax.com...
> > Who is supposed to buy that model, and who is actually buying it?
> >
> > I thought that basically smaller meant younger, but so far, the only
> > driver I've seen in one didn't look very young.
> >
> > J.
> >

>
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Old 12 Jul 2003, 07:18 pm
tomk
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Default Re: TSX demographics

good post.
but, i didn't feel that the TSX had much more luxury than
the accord.

here's what i think should happen:
move the plastic clad RSX to the honda line and offer 2
doors on the TSX. this would work pretty seamlessly since
i think the general public sees acura as just a costlier honda,
similar to the swapping of geo/chevy. i don't feel acura has
reached the status of a brand like lexus which stands on it own.





"Mikey" <%noospaam)mikling@eol.ca> wrote in message
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> Honda boxed themselves in on this one. The North American Accord is the
> Japanese Honda Inspire - higher up than the Accord. I think you'll see

that
> the NA Accord is the better buy. Honda was forced to offer the JDM Inspire
> as the North American Accord thanks to Toyota's large and upgraded Camry.

If
> they offered the TSX sized JDM Accord in North America they would have
> gotten totally demolished by Toyota. If you are buying a TSX you are

paying
> a top top dollar for the Accord. I suspect the TSX is going to be orphaned
> after this generation. Looks like another Vigor which was the Honda

Inspire.
> Accord buyers rejoice in your luck from Toyota.
> "tomk" <no@mail.com> wrote in message

news:AYHPa.1363$b_4.498@lakeread07...
> > 80k is a little steep for this demographic. i would take it below 50k.
> > they are going for the IS300, A4 1.8, 325 crowd.
> > i think the demo is the MALE, single car, mid 20s, 50k, not-married.
> > however, that target is generally pretty knowledgeable in terms of
> > performance cars and sees the advantages and branding of the
> > competition. "i can get a bimmer for the price of an accord" mentallity.
> > i saw 2 friends pass up the tsx for the IS and 325.
> >
> > shoulda left it a honda i say.
> >
> >
> > "Tom Waugh" <twaugh5@cox.net> wrote in message
> > news:IxHPa.1931$zd4.291@lakeread02...
> > > Impression I have from reading the information is that it targets the

> > young
> > > under 30 executive making around 80k a year. Since I'm 62, am

retired
> on
> > a
> > > second career, I don't fit at all. So, I'll keep on driving my 01

> > Prelude.
> > >
> > > "JXStern" <JXSternChangeX2R@gte.net> wrote in message
> > > news:557sgvcjkqprhlk6embpvt5sjggfo9754f@4ax.com...
> > > > Who is supposed to buy that model, and who is actually buying it?
> > > >
> > > > I thought that basically smaller meant younger, but so far, the only
> > > > driver I've seen in one didn't look very young.
> > > >
> > > > J.
> > > >
> > >
> > >

> >
> >

>
>



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Old 13 Jul 2003, 08:15 am
Dan Drake
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Default Re: TSX demographics

On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 19:18:16 -0400, "tomk" <no@mail.com> wrote:

>here's what i think should happen:
>... offer 2
>doors on the TSX.


The Acura lineup is *so* missing a wishbone/multilink-suspended coupe
with a manual transmission. I would have bought a CL type S in a
heartbeat had it had a stick. Now there's not going to be a new CL,
much less one with a stick. And don't even get me started about
RWD...

I am somewhat seriously contemplating buying a 6-speed TSX though.
Without the nav system, the MSRP/delivery is $26,990. Dealer invoice
is $24,647 and there's a $795 dealer holdback, so actual dealer cost
is $23,852.

A local dealer told me(1) that dealers are only going to be getting
about 7 cars a month, and they are flying out the door. He had 3 left
on the lot, all six-speeds (interestingly). First haggling over price
yielded only $200 off the sticker price.

(1) Yeah, I know. For what it's worth.
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Old 13 Jul 2003, 08:52 am
Lee Florack
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On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 08:15:37 -0400, Dan Drake
<ddrake@NOTTHIS.comcast.net> wrote:

>On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 19:18:16 -0400, "tomk" <no@mail.com> wrote:
>
>>here's what i think should happen:
>>... offer 2
>>doors on the TSX.

>
>The Acura lineup is *so* missing a wishbone/multilink-suspended coupe
>with a manual transmission. I would have bought a CL type S in a
>heartbeat had it had a stick. Now there's not going to be a new CL,
>much less one with a stick. And don't even get me started about
>RWD...


I'm confused. I'm pretty sure the CL can be had with a 6-speed.
The TL-S (which I have) doesn't, but the CL does.
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Old 13 Jul 2003, 09:23 am
Dan Drake
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On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 12:52:48 GMT, Lee Florack
<lflorack@rochester.rr.com> wrote:

>I'm confused. I'm pretty sure the CL can be had with a 6-speed.
>The TL-S (which I have) doesn't, but the CL does.


You're right. I guess that changed since the last time I looked. I
may have to reconsider the TSX thing...
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Old 13 Jul 2003, 01:00 pm
Corey
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Dan Drake wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 12:52:48 GMT, Lee Florack
> <lflorack@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>>I'm confused. I'm pretty sure the CL can be had with a 6-speed.
>>The TL-S (which I have) doesn't, but the CL does.

>
>
> You're right. I guess that changed since the last time I looked. I
> may have to reconsider the TSX thing...


Better hurry, tho. They may have already stopped production...

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Old 13 Jul 2003, 01:05 pm
Corey
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The people who see Acura as a costlier Honda are the same people who see
Lexus as a costlier Toyota and Infinity as a costlier Nissan. It's all
merely a matter of perspective.

tomk wrote:

> good post.
> but, i didn't feel that the TSX had much more luxury than
> the accord.
>
> here's what i think should happen:
> move the plastic clad RSX to the honda line and offer 2
> doors on the TSX. this would work pretty seamlessly since
> i think the general public sees acura as just a costlier honda,
> similar to the swapping of geo/chevy. i don't feel acura has
> reached the status of a brand like lexus which stands on it own.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Mikey" <%noospaam)mikling@eol.ca> wrote in message
> news:hm0Qa.4006$yT6.1250@nntp-post.primus.ca...
>
>>Honda boxed themselves in on this one. The North American Accord is the
>>Japanese Honda Inspire - higher up than the Accord. I think you'll see

>
> that
>
>>the NA Accord is the better buy. Honda was forced to offer the JDM Inspire
>>as the North American Accord thanks to Toyota's large and upgraded Camry.

>
> If
>
>>they offered the TSX sized JDM Accord in North America they would have
>>gotten totally demolished by Toyota. If you are buying a TSX you are

>
> paying
>
>>a top top dollar for the Accord. I suspect the TSX is going to be orphaned
>>after this generation. Looks like another Vigor which was the Honda

>
> Inspire.
>
>>Accord buyers rejoice in your luck from Toyota.
>>"tomk" <no@mail.com> wrote in message

>
> news:AYHPa.1363$b_4.498@lakeread07...
>
>>>80k is a little steep for this demographic. i would take it below 50k.
>>>they are going for the IS300, A4 1.8, 325 crowd.
>>>i think the demo is the MALE, single car, mid 20s, 50k, not-married.
>>>however, that target is generally pretty knowledgeable in terms of
>>>performance cars and sees the advantages and branding of the
>>>competition. "i can get a bimmer for the price of an accord" mentallity.
>>>i saw 2 friends pass up the tsx for the IS and 325.
>>>
>>>shoulda left it a honda i say.
>>>
>>>
>>>"Tom Waugh" <twaugh5@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>news:IxHPa.1931$zd4.291@lakeread02...
>>>
>>>>Impression I have from reading the information is that it targets the
>>>
>>>young
>>>
>>>>under 30 executive making around 80k a year. Since I'm 62, am

>
> retired
>
>>on
>>
>>>a
>>>
>>>>second career, I don't fit at all. So, I'll keep on driving my 01
>>>
>>>Prelude.
>>>
>>>>"JXStern" <JXSternChangeX2R@gte.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:557sgvcjkqprhlk6embpvt5sjggfo9754f@4ax.co m...
>>>>
>>>>>Who is supposed to buy that model, and who is actually buying it?
>>>>>
>>>>>I thought that basically smaller meant younger, but so far, the only
>>>>>driver I've seen in one didn't look very young.
>>>>>
>>>>>J.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>

>>

>
>


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Old 13 Jul 2003, 01:37 pm
Lee Florack
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Corey,

On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 17:05:18 GMT, Corey <nomail@thisaddress.inv>
wrote:

>The people who see Acura as a costlier Honda are the same people who see
>Lexus as a costlier Toyota and Infinity as a costlier Nissan. It's all
>merely a matter of perspective.


I' agree with you but that's not what TomK said. He said that
although (most people feel that) Lexus stood on it's own, Acura
is viewed as a costlier Honda.

My question was why does he think (TomK) that.
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Old 13 Jul 2003, 07:17 pm
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duh, they're all hondas in japan
"Corey" <nomail@thisaddress.inv> wrote in message
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> The people who see Acura as a costlier Honda are the same people who see
> Lexus as a costlier Toyota and Infinity as a costlier Nissan. It's all
> merely a matter of perspective.
>
> tomk wrote:
>
> > good post.
> > but, i didn't feel that the TSX had much more luxury than
> > the accord.
> >
> > here's what i think should happen:
> > move the plastic clad RSX to the honda line and offer 2
> > doors on the TSX. this would work pretty seamlessly since
> > i think the general public sees acura as just a costlier honda,
> > similar to the swapping of geo/chevy. i don't feel acura has
> > reached the status of a brand like lexus which stands on it own.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Mikey" <%noospaam)mikling@eol.ca> wrote in message
> > news:hm0Qa.4006$yT6.1250@nntp-post.primus.ca...
> >
> >>Honda boxed themselves in on this one. The North American Accord is the
> >>Japanese Honda Inspire - higher up than the Accord. I think you'll see

> >
> > that
> >
> >>the NA Accord is the better buy. Honda was forced to offer the JDM

Inspire
> >>as the North American Accord thanks to Toyota's large and upgraded

Camry.
> >
> > If
> >
> >>they offered the TSX sized JDM Accord in North America they would have
> >>gotten totally demolished by Toyota. If you are buying a TSX you are

> >
> > paying
> >
> >>a top top dollar for the Accord. I suspect the TSX is going to be

orphaned
> >>after this generation. Looks like another Vigor which was the Honda

> >
> > Inspire.
> >
> >>Accord buyers rejoice in your luck from Toyota.
> >>"tomk" <no@mail.com> wrote in message

> >
> > news:AYHPa.1363$b_4.498@lakeread07...
> >
> >>>80k is a little steep for this demographic. i would take it below 50k.
> >>>they are going for the IS300, A4 1.8, 325 crowd.
> >>>i think the demo is the MALE, single car, mid 20s, 50k, not-married.
> >>>however, that target is generally pretty knowledgeable in terms of
> >>>performance cars and sees the advantages and branding of the
> >>>competition. "i can get a bimmer for the price of an accord"

mentallity.
> >>>i saw 2 friends pass up the tsx for the IS and 325.
> >>>
> >>>shoulda left it a honda i say.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"Tom Waugh" <twaugh5@cox.net> wrote in message
> >>>news:IxHPa.1931$zd4.291@lakeread02...
> >>>
> >>>>Impression I have from reading the information is that it targets the
> >>>
> >>>young
> >>>
> >>>>under 30 executive making around 80k a year. Since I'm 62, am

> >
> > retired
> >
> >>on
> >>
> >>>a
> >>>
> >>>>second career, I don't fit at all. So, I'll keep on driving my 01
> >>>
> >>>Prelude.
> >>>
> >>>>"JXStern" <JXSternChangeX2R@gte.net> wrote in message
> >>>>news:557sgvcjkqprhlk6embpvt5sjggfo9754f@4ax.co m...
> >>>>
> >>>>>Who is supposed to buy that model, and who is actually buying it?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I thought that basically smaller meant younger, but so far, the only
> >>>>>driver I've seen in one didn't look very young.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>J.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>

> >
> >

>



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