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This is the reply I got from Mobil:

>I just bought a Honda Civic EX Coupe, 2003, and it requires 5w20 oil. Is
there any plans on making this viscosity in Mobil 1?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Harvey
>
>
>
Mobil will not market a synthetic 5W20 motor oil however MObil1 0W20 is
available and will meet your warranty requirments.


"Restic" <aba23@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Dry starts and close tolerances are the problems with the new engines, it
is
> not just about mileage.
> Just ask all of those Toyota V6 3.0 engines that have sludge problems.
They
> have now replaced that engine with it a 3.3 liter.
> This problem GM had many years with their V6 using with people using
higher
> W oils than specified.
> Stick to the factory use 5W20. you want that oil to get back to the
> crankcase as fast as possible.
>
>

"noway" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> This is the reply I got from Mobil:
>
> >I just bought a Honda Civic EX Coupe, 2003, and it requires 5w20 oil. Is
> there any plans on making this viscosity in Mobil 1?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Harvey
> >
> >
> >
> Mobil will not market a synthetic 5W20 motor oil however MObil1 0W20 is
> available and will meet your warranty requirments.
>
>
> "Restic" <aba23@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:10EEa.17610$b8.13366@nwrdny03.gnilink.net...
> > Dry starts and close tolerances are the problems with the new engines,
it
> is
> > not just about mileage.
> > Just ask all of those Toyota V6 3.0 engines that have sludge problems.
> They
> > have now replaced that engine with it a 3.3 liter.
> > This problem GM had many years with their V6 using with people using
> higher
> > W oils than specified.
> > Stick to the factory use 5W20. you want that oil to get back to the
> > crankcase as fast as possible.
> >

It's easier to get 5W30, is that acceptable? Costco has the 5 quart jugs
really cheap.

Torco SR-1 comes in 5w20, and was developed for smaller 4 cyl. engines.
www.torcousa.com

"noway" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> This is the reply I got from Mobil:
>
> >I just bought a Honda Civic EX Coupe, 2003, and it requires 5w20 oil. Is
> there any plans on making this viscosity in Mobil 1?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Harvey
> >
> >
> >
> Mobil will not market a synthetic 5W20 motor oil however MObil1 0W20 is
> available and will meet your warranty requirments.
>
>
> "Restic" <aba23@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:10EEa.17610$b8.13366@nwrdny03.gnilink.net...
> > Dry starts and close tolerances are the problems with the new engines,
it
> is
> > not just about mileage.
> > Just ask all of those Toyota V6 3.0 engines that have sludge problems.
> They
> > have now replaced that engine with it a 3.3 liter.
> > This problem GM had many years with their V6 using with people using
> higher
> > W oils than specified.
> > Stick to the factory use 5W20. you want that oil to get back to the
> > crankcase as fast as possible.
> >
> >
>
>

On Tue, 8 Jul 2003 00:04:11 GMT, "Xavier" <mdnblaster@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>"noway" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>news:btfOa.503739$3n5.497859@news2.central.cox.ne t...
>> This is the reply I got from Mobil:
>>
>> >I just bought a Honda Civic EX Coupe, 2003, and it requires 5w20 oil. Is
>> there any plans on making this viscosity in Mobil 1?
>> >
>> >Thanks,
>> >
>> >Harvey
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> Mobil will not market a synthetic 5W20 motor oil however MObil1 0W20 is
>> available and will meet your warranty requirments.
>>
>>
>> "Restic" <aba23@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:10EEa.17610$b8.13366@nwrdny03.gnilink.net...
>> > Dry starts and close tolerances are the problems with the new engines,
>it
>> is
>> > not just about mileage.
>> > Just ask all of those Toyota V6 3.0 engines that have sludge problems.
>> They
>> > have now replaced that engine with it a 3.3 liter.
>> > This problem GM had many years with their V6 using with people using
>> higher
>> > W oils than specified.
>> > Stick to the factory use 5W20. you want that oil to get back to the
>> > crankcase as fast as possible.
>> >
>
>It's easier to get 5W30, is that acceptable? Costco has the 5 quart jugs
>really cheap.

IMO 5W/30 is a better choice (tan 5W/20), especially if you have high
Summer temps.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

>
> It's easier to get 5W30, is that acceptable? Costco has the 5 quart jugs
> really cheap.

I wouldn't put 30 in where 20 is recommended. You can always call or email
Mobil, or the manufacturer to get there recommendations.

>noway wrote:
>> It's easier to get 5W30, is that acceptable? Costco has the 5
>> quart jugs really cheap.
>
> I wouldn't put 30 in where 20 is recommended. You can always call or
> email Mobil, or the manufacturer to get there recommendations.

To be quite blunk about it ... from what do you know about the real
world difference between 5w-20 vs. 5w-30 and why the factory
recommendation in the first place?
--

Philip

"If a long train of abuses, prevarications, and artifices, all tending
the same way, make the design visible to the people . tis not to be
wondered that they should then rouse themselves."
- John Locke (1632-1704)

"Philip®" <chipstate@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> >noway wrote:
> >> It's easier to get 5W30, is that acceptable? Costco has the 5
> >> quart jugs really cheap.
> >
> > I wouldn't put 30 in where 20 is recommended. You can always call or
> > email Mobil, or the manufacturer to get there recommendations.
>
> To be quite blunk about it ... from what do you know about the real
> world difference between 5w-20 vs. 5w-30 and why the factory
> recommendation in the first place?

As much as any other poster.

"Stephen Bigelow" <sbigelowXLS@rogers.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Philip®" <chipstate@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:4QBOa.89628$Io.7803920@newsread2.prod.itd.ear thlink.net...
> > >noway wrote:
> > >> It's easier to get 5W30, is that acceptable? Costco has the 5
> > >> quart jugs really cheap.
> > >
> > > I wouldn't put 30 in where 20 is recommended. You can always call or
> > > email Mobil, or the manufacturer to get there recommendations.
> >
> > To be quite blunk about it ... from what do you know about the real
> > world difference between 5w-20 vs. 5w-30 and why the factory
> > recommendation in the first place?
>
> As much as any other poster.
>
From acura-cl.com it seems the 2001, maybe 2002 CL stated 5W30 was okay to
use (per the manual) then the standard changed to 5W20 to better meet CAFE
standards. So I would guess it was to get that .008% better gas mileage?

"Xavier" <mdnblaster@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> > > To be quite blunk about it ... from what do you know about the real
> > > world difference between 5w-20 vs. 5w-30 and why the factory
> > > recommendation in the first place?
> >
> > As much as any other poster.
> >
> From acura-cl.com it seems the 2001, maybe 2002 CL stated 5W30 was okay
to
> use (per the manual) then the standard changed to 5W20 to better meet CAFE
> standards. So I would guess it was to get that .008% better gas mileage?

Dunno. Maybe.
Lighter oil flows slightly better during "cold*" starts, too.
Longevity?
Again, dunno.


*Even at 30C, it's still a cold start to the oil.

In article <N8HOa.99613$2ay.39949@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.r ogers.com>,
Stephen Bigelow <sbigelowXLS@rogers.com> wrote:

> Lighter oil flows slightly better during "cold*" starts, too.

5W-20 and 5W-30 will have similar viscosities in cold starts, since
they are both 5W.