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Old 28 Jun 2003, 02:14 pm
David Morgenlender
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Default 2003 Acura TL-S - Cracked Bumper

I've got a 10 month old 2003 Acura TL Type-S. Yesterday, much to my shock, I
noticed the front bumper section has multiple cracks on one side, some paint
peeling as a result, etc. This is the plastic piece, below the actual bumper.
However, I can find no sign of anything hitting the bumper, other than a minor
paint scrape far on the other side of the bumper, which doesn't seem like it
could cause this. The only other damage I can spot is scraping, etc. under the
very center of this section ... presumably from going over those awful concrete
rectangular things you find in parking lots at the end of parking spaces, ie the
things one always goes over every now & then.

I'm assuming this would be ridiculously expensive & not worth fixing, since the
damage is only esthetic & hard to see unless one is looking for it. Am I
correct in assuming it is only an esthetic issue?

But, what I'm really wondering is whether this could be a warranty repair.
Since there's no sign of a collision, perhaps this problem should not have
happened unless the part is defective? My feeling is that going over those
parking lot concrete things is normal for any car to do now & then, and the car
shouldn't get this damaged from it ... none of my other cars have. What do you
think?

BTW, this is a leased car ... 4 year lease. There's a good chance I might want
to buy it out at the end of the lease.

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Old 28 Jun 2003, 03:24 pm
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Default Re: 2003 Acura TL-S - Cracked Bumper

I was disappointed in the fragility of the front bumber on the 2003 TL-S
that we bought. I dodged one of those plastic fertilizer sprayers that
fell off a truck in front of me while I was driving on the highway about
2 weeks after we got the car, and it barely glanced of the lower left
corner of the bumper. It CRACKED the entire bumper even though there
was no visible damage. I didn't even notice it for about 3 days.

Had insurance replace it and it looks as good as new. But I think the
bumper covers are very cheap.

James

David Morgenlender wrote:
> I've got a 10 month old 2003 Acura TL Type-S. Yesterday, much to my

shock, I
> noticed the front bumper section has multiple cracks on one side,

some paint
> peeling as a result, etc. This is the plastic piece, below the

actual bumper.
> However, I can find no sign of anything hitting the bumper, other

than a minor
> paint scrape far on the other side of the bumper, which doesn't seem

like it
> could cause this. The only other damage I can spot is scraping, etc.

under the
> very center of this section ... presumably from going over those

awful concrete
> rectangular things you find in parking lots at the end of parking

spaces, ie the
> things one always goes over every now & then.
>
> I'm assuming this would be ridiculously expensive & not worth fixing,

since the
> damage is only esthetic & hard to see unless one is looking for it. Am I
> correct in assuming it is only an esthetic issue?
>
> But, what I'm really wondering is whether this could be a warranty

repair.
> Since there's no sign of a collision, perhaps this problem should not

have
> happened unless the part is defective? My feeling is that going over

those
> parking lot concrete things is normal for any car to do now & then,

and the car
> shouldn't get this damaged from it ... none of my other cars have.

What do you
> think?
>
> BTW, this is a leased car ... 4 year lease. There's a good chance I

might want
> to buy it out at the end of the lease.
>
> ================================================== =====
> Dave Morgenlender
> e-mail: dmorgen@alum.mit.edu
> ================================================== =====




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Old 29 Jun 2003, 11:00 am
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Default Re: 2003 Acura TL-S - Cracked Bumper

James,

Insurance won't help for me, since I don't know when it happened, and the
deductible is more than I want to pay to get it fixed. But it's helpful to hear
your story ... if Acura knows this tends to be a problem, I have a greater
chance getting it fixed under warranty. Thanks.


James Lenaburg <extremist59@covad.net> wrote:

>I was disappointed in the fragility of the front bumber on the 2003 TL-S
>that we bought. I dodged one of those plastic fertilizer sprayers that
>fell off a truck in front of me while I was driving on the highway about
>2 weeks after we got the car, and it barely glanced of the lower left
>corner of the bumper. It CRACKED the entire bumper even though there
>was no visible damage. I didn't even notice it for about 3 days.
>
>Had insurance replace it and it looks as good as new. But I think the
>bumper covers are very cheap.
>
>James
>
>David Morgenlender wrote:
> > I've got a 10 month old 2003 Acura TL Type-S. Yesterday, much to my

>shock, I
> > noticed the front bumper section has multiple cracks on one side,

>some paint
> > peeling as a result, etc. This is the plastic piece, below the

>actual bumper.
> > However, I can find no sign of anything hitting the bumper, other

>than a minor
> > paint scrape far on the other side of the bumper, which doesn't seem

>like it
> > could cause this. The only other damage I can spot is scraping, etc.

>under the
> > very center of this section ... presumably from going over those

>awful concrete
> > rectangular things you find in parking lots at the end of parking

>spaces, ie the
> > things one always goes over every now & then.
> >
> > I'm assuming this would be ridiculously expensive & not worth fixing,

>since the
> > damage is only esthetic & hard to see unless one is looking for it. Am I
> > correct in assuming it is only an esthetic issue?
> >
> > But, what I'm really wondering is whether this could be a warranty

>repair.
> > Since there's no sign of a collision, perhaps this problem should not

>have
> > happened unless the part is defective? My feeling is that going over

>those
> > parking lot concrete things is normal for any car to do now & then,

>and the car
> > shouldn't get this damaged from it ... none of my other cars have.

>What do you
> > think?
> >
> > BTW, this is a leased car ... 4 year lease. There's a good chance I

>might want
> > to buy it out at the end of the lease.
> >
> > ================================================== =====
> > Dave Morgenlender
> > e-mail: dmorgen@alum.mit.edu
> > ================================================== =====


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Old 29 Jun 2003, 12:34 pm
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Default Re: 2003 Acura TL-S - Cracked Bumper

I suspect you have little chance of getting it fixed under warrentee.
You hit something in the road. I've never heard of a "road hazard"
warrentee for anything other that tires, which are meant to be on the
road. Good luck anyway...

David Morgenlender wrote:

> James,
>
> Insurance won't help for me, since I don't know when it happened, and the
> deductible is more than I want to pay to get it fixed. But it's helpful to hear
> your story ... if Acura knows this tends to be a problem, I have a greater
> chance getting it fixed under warranty. Thanks.
>
>
> James Lenaburg <extremist59@covad.net> wrote:
>
>
>>I was disappointed in the fragility of the front bumber on the 2003 TL-S
>>that we bought. I dodged one of those plastic fertilizer sprayers that
>>fell off a truck in front of me while I was driving on the highway about
>>2 weeks after we got the car, and it barely glanced of the lower left
>>corner of the bumper. It CRACKED the entire bumper even though there
>>was no visible damage. I didn't even notice it for about 3 days.
>>
>>Had insurance replace it and it looks as good as new. But I think the
>>bumper covers are very cheap.
>>
>>James
>>
>>David Morgenlender wrote:
>>
>>>I've got a 10 month old 2003 Acura TL Type-S. Yesterday, much to my

>>
>>shock, I
>>
>>>noticed the front bumper section has multiple cracks on one side,

>>
>>some paint
>>
>>>peeling as a result, etc. This is the plastic piece, below the

>>
>>actual bumper.
>>
>>>However, I can find no sign of anything hitting the bumper, other

>>
>>than a minor
>>
>>>paint scrape far on the other side of the bumper, which doesn't seem

>>
>>like it
>>
>>>could cause this. The only other damage I can spot is scraping, etc.

>>
>>under the
>>
>>>very center of this section ... presumably from going over those

>>
>>awful concrete
>>
>>>rectangular things you find in parking lots at the end of parking

>>
>>spaces, ie the
>>
>>>things one always goes over every now & then.
>>>
>>>I'm assuming this would be ridiculously expensive & not worth fixing,

>>
>>since the
>>
>>>damage is only esthetic & hard to see unless one is looking for it. Am I
>>>correct in assuming it is only an esthetic issue?
>>>
>>>But, what I'm really wondering is whether this could be a warranty

>>
>>repair.
>>
>>>Since there's no sign of a collision, perhaps this problem should not

>>
>>have
>>
>>>happened unless the part is defective? My feeling is that going over

>>
>>those
>>
>>>parking lot concrete things is normal for any car to do now & then,

>>
>>and the car
>>
>>>shouldn't get this damaged from it ... none of my other cars have.

>>
>>What do you
>>
>>>think?
>>>
>>>BTW, this is a leased car ... 4 year lease. There's a good chance I

>>
>>might want
>>
>>>to buy it out at the end of the lease.
>>>
>>>=============================================== ========
>>>Dave Morgenlender
>>>e-mail: dmorgen@alum.mit.edu
>>>=============================================== ========

>
>
> ================================================== =====
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> e-mail: dmorgen@alum.mit.edu
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Old 30 Jun 2003, 09:14 am
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Corey <nomail@thisaddress.inv> wrote:

>I suspect you have little chance of getting it fixed under warrentee.
>You hit something in the road. I've never heard of a "road hazard"
>warrentee for anything other that tires, which are meant to be on the
>road. Good luck anyway...


You're probably right. But it's worth a shot. My thinking is there are no
obvious marks indicating I hit anything on the road ... and even if I did, I've
never had a car before where hitting something there caused any more than a ding
.... in this case it just about shattered ... I would've expected better of any
car, let alone an expensive one!

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Old 30 Jun 2003, 09:15 am
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"nojap" <nojap?@aol.com> wrote:

>> But, what I'm really wondering is whether this could be a warranty repair.
>> Since there's no sign of a collision, perhaps this problem should not have
>> happened unless the part is defective? My feeling is that going over

>those
>> parking lot concrete things is normal for any car to do now & then, and

>the car
>> shouldn't get this damaged from it ... none of my other cars have. What

>do you
>> think?

>
>I think you may be one of the biggest morons on this newsgroup!
>Unbelievable! You expect the manufacturer to fix your stupid habit of
>driving over parking lot barriers? What a joke. Maybe you could apply for
>relief from the federal govt. They could start a major investigation of car
>barrier heights and the damage caused to cars by careless drivers! Another
>bureaucracy could be created just for Acura owners. Un-
>freakin'-believable!!


Thank you for the useful feedback!

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Old 30 Jun 2003, 09:25 am
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"Acura God" <djshort@NOSPAMlightbound.com> wrote:

>Go away nojap. But unfortunately, this will not be covered under warranty
>unless you get your dealer to lie and say it was a problem in workmanship. I
>wouldn't lie about this though because there are repercussions to lieing
>about warranty repairs. It is called fraud and manufacturers really don't
>like this. Fraud will cause a non payment of warranty claims along with
>getting no consideration about future repairs. If it is not that noticeable
>I would live with it but you may have to get it fixed before turning in your
>lease or have to pay for it at the time of turn in unless they don't notice
>it. Good Luck


I'm not looking for anybody to lie or commit fraud. My thinking is there are no
obvious marks indicating I hit anything on the road ... and even if I did, I've
never had a car before where hitting something there caused any more than a ding
.... in this case it just about shattered ... I would've expected better of any
car, let alone an expensive one!

IAE, it would seem those concrete things are designed to stop a car's tires from
going further forward. If a part of the car extends low enough to hit these
things, it would seem the car manufacturer should at least make sure they can
withstand the minor scraping that occurs. I don't know about anybody else, but
if it's the kind of space where you really want to pull forward so the car's
rear is out of harm's way, I find it impossible to stop at just exactly the
right moment, since the concrete thing is long out of sight.

In all the cars I've owned, all much cheaper than this Acura, I've never had any
serious problem from barely hitting one of the things ... and I've looked
closely since such an unpleasant noise has been made. There was always a nice
sturdy piece of metal down there protecting the more sensitive areas ... and
that doesn't consider the many cars designed so nothing hangs low enough to hit
there in the first place.

I guess I'm saying I think there's a minor design flaw there, especially
considering how well designed the car is in almost every other respect. Or am I
totally off-base here?

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Old 30 Jun 2003, 07:40 pm
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"nojap" <nojap?@aol.com> wrote in message
news:ExFLa.17900$C83.1697058@newsread1.prod.itd.ea rthlink.net...
> > But, what I'm really wondering is whether this could be a warranty

repair.
> > Since there's no sign of a collision, perhaps this problem should not

have
> > happened unless the part is defective? My feeling is that going over

> those
> > parking lot concrete things is normal for any car to do now & then, and

> the car
> > shouldn't get this damaged from it ... none of my other cars have. What

> do you
> > think?

>
> I think you may be one of the biggest morons on this newsgroup!
> Unbelievable! You expect the manufacturer to fix your stupid habit of
> driving over parking lot barriers? What a joke. Maybe you could apply

for
> relief from the federal govt. They could start a major investigation of

car
> barrier heights and the damage caused to cars by careless drivers!

Another
> bureaucracy could be created just for Acura owners. Un-
> freakin'-believable!!
>
>


Hey nojap,

Sounds like you're a bigot and a bigger moron than anyone.


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Old 01 Jul 2003, 04:37 pm
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If your Mom and Dad got a divorce, would they still be brother and sister?


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> > Hey nojap,
> >
> > Sounds like you're a bigot and a bigger moron than anyone.

>
> Waaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh!!
>
>



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Old 01 Jul 2003, 08:48 pm
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"Marc" <sbearusa@****NOSPAM****.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> If your Mom and Dad got a divorce, would they still be brother and sister?
>

Nahhh, but yours would be father & daughter.


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