Re: oil change interval on CRV
George McD:
I read the below attached,as well as the posting on the Audi World Forum
which you presented as a link, with interest. I changed the oil on my 03
Honda Element at 2300 or so miles, even though the manual said 10K for
the first change. I got conflicting advice from Honda dealership
personnel, including, "there is no break -in oil in use any more by
Honda". No matter who I asked and where I looked I was unable to find
any specifics or any conclusive technical discussion, including in the
Manual, which did not "educate" as to a break in oil, but just made the
statemnent that the oil should be left in for 10K. I would have found
it helpful and persuasive if I had been told, by Honda somewhere, that
there is a special oil in use, what it does, what the too early dumping
of it might do, if putting such oil back in later could compensate for
or correct any of the improper breaking in that might have taken place,
etc. Ie., the point by Don on AudiWorld that we should not second
guess the engineers is a good point, but this point would have been
stronger if the engineers had presented an explanation that accompannied
their proscription, in the manual. Surely they must know how much fable
and fiction and misinformation exists regarding this topic.
I come from an era where a 1000 mile oil change was not excessive; I
also had a mechanical engineer for a father, one who wanted to
understand the underlying chemistry and physics, and was not content
with pat rules and proscriptions.
Assuming Honda will now sell me "break-in oil", is there any point in
putting it in, at 14000 miles???
Thanks to any and all.
George Macdonald wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:35:53 GMT, "Kenneth J. Harris"
> <kharris@suffolk.lib.ny.us> wrote:
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>>Hi!
>> This is for babadi and those who replied to him. As someone who
>>has been involved with cars and engines of different types for a long
>>time, including our current 2003 Accord, here is my opinion: Accepting
>>the validity of the factory recommended initial oil change period on new
>>engines(the factory installed oil does indeed have some extra
>>additives), no engine ever wore out or developed problems prematurely
>>because of too frequent oil changes.
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> Depends what you mean by wear out - they *may* develop other problems, like
> high oil consumption due to leaky rings which were never bedded in
> properly. Honda is not alone here with their "special" break-in oil and
> the results of ignoring their recommendations *are* known. See here:
> <http://forums.audiworld.com/tt/msgs/65043.phtml>
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>> There is however, lots of evidence
>>that when the oil/filter is not changed often enough, problems will
>>occur. This applies to all engines--automotive general use, automotive
>>racing, boat engines, aircraft engines(piston type), truck engines,
>>industrial engines, lawn mower engines, etc. etc. Why a given car
>>manufacturer would specify a long oil change interval after the break in
>>period is over is something I don't care to comment on here, but you
>>might want to think about why they would do that.
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>
> Things change!
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>>babadi wrote:
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>>>Greetings,
>>>
>>>What would be an appropriate interval at which to change the oil on a 2003
>>>CRV? It has just over 3000 miles at this point, and a friend suggested
>>>doing it now, even though the manual says it should be done only after
>>>5000-10,000 miles (depending on the "severity" of your driving.) Most of my
>>>driving is on congested suburban streets and highways.
>>>
>>>Thanks.
>>>
>>>
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>>Hi!<br>
>> This is for babadi and those who replied to him. As someone who
>>has been involved with cars and engines of different types for a long
>>time, including our current 2003 Accord, here is my opinion: Accepting
>>the validity of the factory recommended initial oil change period on
>>new engines(the factory installed oil does indeed have some extra
>>additives), no engine ever wore out or developed problems prematurely
>>because of <b>too frequent</b> oil changes. There is however, lots of
>>evidence that when the oil/filter is<b> not changed often enough</b>,
>>problems will occur. This applies to all engines--automotive general
>>use, automotive racing, boat engines, aircraft engines(piston type),
>>truck engines, industrial engines, lawn mower engines, etc. etc. Why a
>>given car manufacturer would specify a long oil change interval after
>>the break in period is over is something I don't care to comment on
>>here, but you might want to think about why they would do that.<br>
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>>Ken<br>
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>> <pre wrap="">Greetings,
>>
>>What would be an appropriate interval at which to change the oil on a 2003
>>CRV? It has just over 3000 miles at this point, and a friend suggested
>>doing it now, even though the manual says it should be done only after
>>5000-10,000 miles (depending on the "severity" of your driving.) Most of my
>>driving is on congested suburban streets and highways.
>>
>>Thanks.
>> </pre>
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> Rgds, George Macdonald
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> "Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??
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