On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 08:27:31 -0700, jim beam <nospam@example.net>
wrote:

>dgk wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 09:29:25 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
>> <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <m846e2l9ensc0taubjgliiglmp1um6kra1@4ax.com>,
>>> dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bad news from the dealer. It's been a month since ordering and he says
>>>> to try another color (I wanted the orange). I think that it's bait and
>>>> switch.
>>> Why?
>>>
>>> Do you even know what "bait and switch" is? Or are you just another
>>> ignoramus who's not getting what he wants in the world, and has to have
>>> someone to blame something horrific on?
>>
>> Wow, you're a pretty nasty guy. I'm glad that I don't actually have to
>> deal with you in real life.
>>
>you need to learn how to understand what elmo's actually telling you.
>otherwise you'll be the loser in virtually every negotiation you ever
>have. read elmo's post again - what he's saying is:
>
>1. it's not bait & switch
>2. you're not a victim unless you want to be.
>
>the likely scenario, and the logical one if you bother to think about
>it, is that the dealer's having trouble sourcing what you ordered, but
>because of the delay is offering you an alternative. therefore, you now
>have two options:
>
>i. keep on waiting, or
>ii. settle for a different color.
>
>if you somehow misinterpret that as "bait & switch", it's your
>[in]ability to deal with the situation that's the problem and you're
>going to end up feeling screwed whatever the outcome.
>
>get real, pay attention, make a decision and stick to it. assert what
>you want and keep on asserting it until you get it. bleating about
>being a victim before anything actually happens means you already are one.

More information needed. Bait and switch literally means just drawing
you in to shop but not having what was advertised. However, allowing a
customer to order something knowing that it isn't going to come in is
even worse.

I went to another Honda dealer before using this one, and the first
dealer came up with a price of $19,000 before tax. I said that I
wouldn't pay over MSRP and she said that other dealers can't get the
car but they can. I didn't really believe her but now I do. I think my
current dealer did know that it was unlikely that I would get what I
ordered.

I can't prove it, and I could certainly be wrong but there really
isn't anything to do about it but try for another color and give them
another week or two. Then I just cancel the deal and spend some money
fixing up the Accord.