Dr Nick wrote:

[lots of interesting comments, thanks, snipped]

> after driving all these cars I decided to go with the honda because
> of gas mileage, reliability, and overall value (fully loaded 4 cyl
> with a 5 speed stick and navigation for 24,800) no one else can touch
> that. the ONLY problem I have is that honda, who say "safety for
> everyone" apparently think traction control is only for V6 powered
> cars. I dont' understand why it's not even an option on 4 cyl models.

Traction control on a 4-banger with front wheel drive? You must live in a
snowy climate, then... otherwise, if you spin the wheels just ease off a
little