C. E. White wrote:
> "80 Knight" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>> "William Munny" <bill@bigwhiskey.org> wrote in message
>> news:h71n64$k7d$1@news.albasani.net...
>>> "C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4a943973@kcnews01...
>>>> CASH FOR CLUNKERS CHAOS
>>>> Clunker system crashes again, NADA may seek deadline extension
>>>> Neil Roland
>>>> Automotive News
>>>> August 25, 2009 - 2:52 pm ET
>>>>
>>>> WASHINGTON -- The government's cash-for-clunkers computer
>>>> system for dealers crashed again this afternoon, a National
>>>> Automobile Dealers Association spokesman said.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, these sure are the guys I want handling my healthcare....
>> How many of you people who are complaining about universal
>> healthcare don't actually *have* health care at this time, due to
>> financial reasons?
>
> I try to avoid these off topic discussions, but I have to throw in my
> two cents worth here...
>
> The US already has a National Health Care System, a private /
> goverment / no care system. It is the most expensive, most
> inefficient, and most unfair in the developed world. If our current
> National Health Care System had the best care, I suppose it could be
> excused, but by most measures, it is a failure. We have the highest
> death rate among babies in the developed world, we have the lowest
> life expectancies in the developed world, and we have the highest
> percentage of uncovered people in the developed world.
>
> If you are very rich or running an insurance compnay our current
> National Health Care System is terrific. If you are very poor, you
> probably can get treatment for injuries but no preventive care. If you
> are in the middle, you are paying through the nose for mediocre care.
>
> I often hear people rant about how they don't want government
> burecrats making health care choices for them. OK I can see this, but
> a lot of these same people are willing to let Health Insurance
> Industry Burecrats make those decisions for them. I fail to see the
> difference. If anything, I'd rather have governement burecrats making
> the decisions.
>
> I often hear people rant that they don't want the government rationing
> health care, but many of these same people have their care rationed by
> the Heath Insurance Industry.
>
> I often hear people rant that they don't want the government imposing
> new taxes but these same people are paying directly (or indirectly
> through their employers) extremely high premiums for mediocre care.
>
> I have a hard time understanding all the outrage against a goverment
> administered National Health Care System. I can't see it being any
> worse that our Current Government / Insurance Industry / Drug Company
> dominated system. Do you really think the people running Blue Cross /
> Blue Shield; Cigna; GSK, etc., etc. have your best intrest at heart?
> Do you think they are less like than the government to extort money
> from you to run the system? Take a look at the salaries for the
> medical industry executives....then tell me they have your best
> interest at heart.
>
> Dwight Eisenhower warned about the Military Industrial Complex. I
> think we now need to worry about the Medical Industry / Drug Company
> Complex.
>
> People like Rush Limbaugh are tools of the evil rich. He does provide
> one good piece of advice - "follow the money." In the case of the
> health care debate this is very good advice. It seems to me Rush and
> his ilk are either idiots or evil. Take your pick.
>
> Ed
>
>
This is how the developed world does it, why do we refuse to even come
reasonably close to this level of care? Why are we the *only* country in
the industrialized world where you can go medically bankrupt? :
Sick Around the World
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...roundtheworld/
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The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems
http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html
"The world health report 2007 - A safer future: global public health
security in the 21st century"
Full report download as a .pdf file:
http://www.who.int/entity/whr/2007/whr07_en.pdf (4.15MB)
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Healthcare For All: In Western Europe Its a Reality
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=91972152
France: Health Care for All
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=91970968
Germany: Health Care for All
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=91971170
Great Britain: Health Care for All
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=91971293
Netherlands: Health Care for All
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=91973552
Switzerland: Health Care for All
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=91974014
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Health Care: An International Comparison
http://www.npr.org/news/specials/hea..._profiles.html
Netherlands' Health Care Reflects National Values
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=92641635
Keeping German Doctors On A Budget Lowers Costs
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=91931036
France At Forefront Of Free, Innovative Cancer Care
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=92362918
While the U.S. Spends Heavily on Health Care, a Study Faults the Quality
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/17/bu.../17health.html
After-Hours Doctor Calls Save Holland Money
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=92606938
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