"80 Knight" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>>> CASH FOR CLUNKERS CHAOS
>>> Clunker system crashes again, NADA may seek deadline extension
>>> Neil Roland
>>> Automotive News
>>> August 25, 2009 - 2:52 pm ET
>>>
>>> WASHINGTON -- The government's cash-for-clunkers computer
>>> system for dealers crashed again this afternoon, a National
>>> Automobile Dealers Association spokesman said.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah, these sure are the guys I want handling my healthcare....
>
> How many of you people who are complaining about universal
> healthcare don't actually *have* health care at this time, due to
> financial reasons?

I try to avoid these off topic discussions, but I have to throw in my
two cents worth here...

The US already has a National Health Care System, a private /
goverment / no care system. It is the most expensive, most
inefficient, and most unfair in the developed world. If our current
National Health Care System had the best care, I suppose it could be
excused, but by most measures, it is a failure. We have the highest
death rate among babies in the developed world, we have the lowest
life expectancies in the developed world, and we have the highest
percentage of uncovered people in the developed world.

If you are very rich or running an insurance compnay our current
National Health Care System is terrific. If you are very poor, you
probably can get treatment for injuries but no preventive care. If you
are in the middle, you are paying through the nose for mediocre care.

I often hear people rant about how they don't want government
burecrats making health care choices for them. OK I can see this, but
a lot of these same people are willing to let Health Insurance
Industry Burecrats make those decisions for them. I fail to see the
difference. If anything, I'd rather have governement burecrats making
the decisions.

I often hear people rant that they don't want the government rationing
health care, but many of these same people have their care rationed by
the Heath Insurance Industry.

I often hear people rant that they don't want the government imposing
new taxes but these same people are paying directly (or indirectly
through their employers) extremely high premiums for mediocre care.

I have a hard time understanding all the outrage against a goverment
administered National Health Care System. I can't see it being any
worse that our Current Government / Insurance Industry / Drug Company
dominated system. Do you really think the people running Blue Cross /
Blue Shield; Cigna; GSK, etc., etc. have your best intrest at heart?
Do you think they are less like than the government to extort money
from you to run the system? Take a look at the salaries for the
medical industry executives....then tell me they have your best
interest at heart.

Dwight Eisenhower warned about the Military Industrial Complex. I
think we now need to worry about the Medical Industry / Drug Company
Complex.

People like Rush Limbaugh are tools of the evil rich. He does provide
one good piece of advice - "follow the money." In the case of the
health care debate this is very good advice. It seems to me Rush and
his ilk are either idiots or evil. Take your pick.

Ed