Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote:
> The irritating thing about this approach (at least for somebody who has a
> manual transmission and has been driving for 31 years) is that the entire
> time a light remains red, cars are now steadily creeping forwards, taking

Or, if you have a 2003 Honda Civic Hybrid, and your engine is in "idle
stop" mode, you don't want to creep forward, because the engine will start
again.

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