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Old 11 Dec 2008, 02:43 pm
Mike Hunter
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Default Re: GM admits it flucked up big time

The Chevy hybrid is the Malibu and unlike the Pruis it does not cost more
than a gasoline powered car of the same size.

Funny thing. when I was young ALL of the 'busses' were electric. We called
them trolleys and the were 'plugged in' all the time.


"Gosi" <gosinn@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On 11 Dec, 12:33, "Jeff Findley" <jeff.find...@ugs.nojunk.com> wrote:
> "Nate Nagel" <njna...@roosters.net> wrote in message
>
> news:ghpmqu0mhk@news6.newsguy.com...
>
> > I heard on the radio today that Wagoner himself had apologized before
> > Congress for not investing more in electric/hybrid technologies. That
> > pisses me off... as much as I've been disappointed in GM they have done
> > more than any other company (possible exceptions Honda and Toyota, but
> > I'd
> > still give the edge to GM) to try to make electric cars practical.

>
> Besides a few of their large SUV's, what cars do GM sell that are hybrids?
>
> I will agree that when (if?) the Volt comes out that it ought to sell very
> well and will be a much needed improvement over the existing Japanese
> hybrids which rely far too much on their gas engines. If GM could have
> released the Volt earlier this year, when gas was over $4 per gallong,
> they
> would have sold every single one they rolled off the production line. A
> car
> that used zero gas for my commute to/from work, but still has a gas engine
> for long distance traveling, would be freaking nirvana!
>
> Jeff
> --
> "Many things that were acceptable in 1958 are no longer acceptable today.
> My own standards have changed too." -- Freeman Dyson


There are a lot of electrical cars coming.
The dependency on oil is going down.
Even if some places need to burn somthing to create electicity it
needs not be oil.
It can be coal, there are also several other methods of creating
electricity in powerplants.

Chevy Volt: The future is electrifying.
The Extended-Range Electric Vehicle that is redefining the automotive
world is no longer just a rumor. In fact, its propulsion system is so
revolutionary, it's unlike any other vehicle or electric car that's
ever been introduced. And we're making this remarkable vision a
reality, so that one day you'll have the freedom to drive gas-free.

Chevy Volt is designed to move more than 75 percent of America's daily
commuters without a single drop of gas.(2) That means for someone who
drives less than 40 miles a day, Chevy Volt will use zero gasoline and
produce zero emissions.(1)

Unlike traditional electric cars, Chevy Volt has a revolutionary
propulsion system that takes you beyond the power of the battery. It
will use a lithium-ion battery with a gasoline-powered, range-
extending engine that drives a generator to provide electric power
when you drive beyond the 40-mile battery range.

Chevy Volt. Fully charged 2010.
http://www.chevrolet.com/electriccar/

http://venturebeat.com/2008/01/10/27...over-the-road/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_electric_vehicle

At 2008 fuel prices, battery powered buses are more economical than
diesel or gasoline powered buses. The additional cost of the batteries
is made up for[citation needed] by the low operating cost in the first
half of the typical million to two million mile (three million
kilometer) life of the bus.
Chattanooga, Tennessee operates nine free (no fares) electric buses,
which have been in operation since 1992 and have carried 11.3 million
passengers and covered a distance of 1.9 million miles. They were made
locally by Advanced Vehicle Systems. Two of these buses were used for
the 1996 Atlanta Olympics.[3][4]
Wrightbus has a new a hybrid-electric driveline for the StreetCar RTV
which has been developed in conjunction with the ISE Corporation of
California and incorporates Siemens ELFA traction components and a
Cummins ISL engine. The chassis is built to Wright Group
specifications by Swiss trolleybus specialists Carosserie Hess and is
powered by Valence Technology lithium phosphate batteries .
Beginning in the summer of 2000, Hong Kong airport began operating a
16-passenger Mitsubishi Rosa electric shuttle bus, and in the fall of
2000, New York City began testing a 66 passenger battery powered
school bus, an all electric version of the Blue-Bird TC2000.[5] A
similar bus was operated in Napa Valley, California for 14 months
ending in April, 2004.[6]
The 2008 Beijing Olympics used a fleet of 50 electric buses, which
have a range of 130 km (81 mi) with the air conditioning on. They use
Lithium-ion batteries, and consume about 1 kWh/mile. The buses were
designed by the Beijing Institute of Technology and built by the
Jinghua Coach Co. Ltd.[7] The batteries are replaced with fully
charged ones at the recharging station to allow 24 hour operation of
the buses.[8]


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