"Cliff Freeling" <clifffreeling@yahoo.com> wrote
> Jimmy wrote:
>
> >Dood, I don't know where you're "coming from", but you are screwing
> >up. Peak is selling BS to sell you their antifreeze. Worse than the
> >phosphate issue is the silicate issue. Notice they don't say much
> >about silicates on the Peak site. European cars need low silicate as
> >well as low phosphate.
>
> Dude, you're not listening.
>
> >You can get a quality, low silicate, low phosphate coolant from
> >Valvoline for about $9/gallon.

Havoline?

> So, what makes you think it's not BS YOU'RE swallowing? Who "educated"
> you on the subject of antifreeze? Somebody has convinced you that
> you need to spend more for their antifreeze. You also weren't
> listening when I said that I've used Peak for years with no problems.

Have you used it in Hondas?

On the Honda newsgroups it seems to me a clear majority indicate the OEM
anti-freeze is the only option for them, based on a lot of experience (with
early Honda water pump bearing failures IIRC) and not just Honda salespeople.

I suspect Prestone led to at least one early fairlure of one water pump on my
1991 Civic.

I am now experimenting with the Havoline Dex stuff. I am also increasing the
frequency of my radiator coolant flushes. Yet I would not advise Honda owners
who don't have the time and who don't want want the trouble to do this.

To play it safe, buy the Honda OEM anti-freeze for your Honda.

> >Why screw around challenging what the
> >engineers who built your car recommended when you can do it right
> >for $5/year ?
>
> Why pay even a few dollar more when it's not necessary? None of my
> manuals say to a avoid the phosphate or silicates. If the Peak
> and Prestone products were as bad as you think, they'd be out of
> business within a year.

I imagine they're fine for some car makes but not others.