Wow, these jacka**es have obviously never met a true Honda enthusiast.Well then let me introduce myself. I've been building high performance Honda engines for the past 5 years, from all-motor, to chemical and forced induction...I've done just about everything, and let me be the first to say that I too have a burning hatred towards the "ricers". They give the entire import scene a terrible name. Nothing is worse than seeing one of these losers on the street with their "tricked out" ride. People like that should be shot in the kneecap and then sterilized.But for people like you, who are so ignorant, to say that Honda's aren't worth tuning, then you sir...are an idiot. I have to 2000 Civic Si Coupe that will blow the doors off of 80% of all V8's that come my way. I have a full blown done up engine (supercharger, cams, titanium valvetrain, you name it...its in there) sitting in my little Civic that weighs next to nothing....now for the numbers...300+ whp. That's a pretty impressive number...especially when your car only weighs 2600 lbs.As for looks...besides the OEM carbon fiber hood, 16in rims, lower than stock ride height, and tasteful black window tint...you couldn't tell my car apart from a bone stock 00 Civic Si Coupe. No dumb bodykit, spoiler or euro tails, no flashy paint (just stock electron blue), no big stupid rims, no loud exhaust (silenced, which gives it a nice low tone). I've kept it clean and JDM styled. There are those of us out there that are not afilliated with that stupid "ricer" crowd, but still enjoy building high performance four cylinder cars.Yes, I couldnt agree more with you that these kids are idiots for buying a old beat up Civic's and then dumping loads of money into pointless visual crap. With all the money they sink into making their cars look even worse then when they bought it, they could easily have afforded a nicer car, or they could have afforded to build a quick, respectable looking little street car. But these kids nowadays are so enthralled with "The Fast and the Furious" that they think an exhaust and intake will give them a bazillion horsepower...when in reality it gives them a whopping 5 extra horsies. Not even enough to feel a difference in performance. Like I said...these people need to be sterilized.As for a Mustang and Camaro having a REAL engine in it...I dont see anything to brag about there. Let me introduce you to a crazy concept called horsepower per liter. Honda's generally make about 100% if not more hp per liter Example: The Integra Type R's 1.8L makes 200hp...thats 110% hp per liter. The Camaro has a 5.7L...but it sure doesnt make 570hp from the factory...like the Honda. So I wouldnt brag about the underpowered V8s in those cars.Let's not forget about other cars like the Evolution and WRX STi.These factory cars wil blow the doors off Mustangs and Camaros with ease. They may be four cylinders but they make loads of power and have the handling to back it up. I hate to say it but the time of the muscle car is fading which sucks because I love muscle cars as well as the import cars. But lots of people now want a turbocharged four cylinder that makes rediculous power and has the handling to match...Im not saying their arent people who dont want muscle cars around....but its what the latest trend isAnyways...Im all for hating on the stupid ricers who put all that dumb crap on their cars becuse they think it looks cool. But show some respect to the other half...guys like me who have a sense of taste and actually know their way around under the hood of a car...especially a Honda.