Kwon22,

Your post is excellent. I have printed it out and put it in
my "Honda documents file." The details are exactly what a
person eager to try negotiating via the net needs.

My 91 Civic has 177k miles and runs well. Also, I just put
some amazing personal labor into renovating the front
suspension. So I'm not looking to buy for maybe five+ years.
Still, I get just a little nervous thinking about
negotiating a new car, despite having been through it twice
now, plus once used.