"Elle" <honda.lioness@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:Svnsf.1249$M%4.682@newsread3.news.atl.earthli nk.net...

> Are you agreeing with what I wrote?

Neither. I'd accidentally hit the send button and sent the draft
instead. Just ignore it. I'd intended to reply to this paragraph.

> I'm not quite convinced that by /just/ running the water
> pump all the air in a car's cooling system will find its way
> up towards the radiator cap, through the overflow tube, and
> out the reservoir vent. Ya gotta heat the system up, too,
> for one thing, to abet the release of the gases from
> solution. For another, ya gotta provide a vent. With the
> radiator cap on, and so the system pressurized, those gases
> can't really thoroughly bubble out. Hence the purging
> procedure has one beginning with a cold engine (and heater
> control on max hot), removing the radiator cap from the fill
> neck, leaving the cap off, then starting the car. Any air
> slowly bubbles out the fill neck. Ya wait until the fan
> comes on twice, which means the coolant is about as hot as
> it can get, too. Then top off the system, screw on the cap,
> and go. Check reservoir level an hour later, a day later,
> then a few days, then weeks.

What I wanted to say is that the above method omitted the
bleed bolt, which is very important.

> I think we're having a disconnect. It's a two step process.
> The manual has one first bleeding as much air as possible
> out the bleed bolt, with the engine cold and off. Then it
> has one bleeding it out the filler neck, with the engine
> running until the fan comes on.

True. But you didn't mentioned that earlier.

> The bleed bolt can purge only so much air, since the coolant
> is not yet hot.

The bleed bolt can purge a very substantial amount of air. On
some models (90-94 Accord) this is a major place to bleed.

> What the hell's wrong with the manual? Several of which are
> online already.

Nothing's wrong with the service manual. What's wrong are the
steps. They're model specific.

> For one, you do not direct that the car be run with the rad
> cap off until the fan comes on twice.

I see, you want to remove the cap while under pressure. Be my guess.

>For another, the manual does not direct opening of the bleed
>valve with the car running.

I know. They're not living in the real world.

> Step 8's english is atrocious.

Fixed. English, not english.

> You are practicing your English with this site, aren't you?
> Had enough of that bull in grad school...