well I appreciate all your comments. my plan isn't to be getting a new car
every few years. basically with gas and needing premium and also some of the
stupid problem with the max, I want to get rid of it before those problems
arise and I have to put money to fix it. the next car I get I'm keeping for
a min of 5 years. (which is why the jetta TDI is my first choice if i can
find one) thanks again